The West Block — Episode 48, Season 10 – National

Episode 48, Season 10
Sunday, October 10, 2021


Host: Mercedes Stephenson

Patty Hajdu, Well being Minister

Medical doctors Panel:
Dr. Alex Wong
Dr. Paul Parks

Location: Ottawa, ON

Mercedes Stephenson: This week on The West Block: A warning from the prime minister: Get vaccinated if you need life to return to regular.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: “The principles are quite simple: to journey, you’ve obtained to be vaccinated.”

Mercedes Stephenson: Ottawa prepares to implement vaccine mandates on air and rail journey, plus the Public Service, RCMP and the army.

Theresa Tam, Chief Public Well being Officer: “COVID-19 is unlikely to vanish solely, and there may proceed to be bumps alongside the best way.”

Mercedes Stephenson: And your COVID questions, we’ll converse to the federal Well being Minister Patty Hajdu about vaccines for youths, booster photographs and households getting collectively this Thanksgiving.

And exhaustion, frustration, anger and burnout…

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Dr. Alex Wong: “Everyone nearly appears defeated. It’s simply now way more that anyone has left to present.”

Mercedes Stephenson: We go behind the scenes with two entrance line medical doctors in arduous hit Alberta and Saskatchewan.

It’s Sunday, October tenth, and that is The West Block.

Hi there, I’m Mercedes Stephenson. Thanks for becoming a member of in your Thanksgiving lengthy weekend.

As Canadians rejoice this Thanksgiving, the message from public well being officers is: benefit from the vacation with household and pals. However the way you try this relies on the place you reside. In some provinces, there are restricted restrictions so long as everyone is double vaccinated. However in New Brunswick, individuals are being instructed to restrict their gatherings to single households solely. Whereas in Saskatchewan, there are not any limits. Canada’s Chief Public Well being Officer Dr. Theresa Tam says total, Canada is in higher form this Thanksgiving than final yr.

Theresa Tam, Chief Public Well being Officer: “Beforehand, now we have seen surges in circumstances after these vacation occasions. So this yr with the vaccine onboard, I believe we ought to be on a greater, extra strong footing. However we are able to’t, you recognize, be too cautious in terms of this formidable foe, as I’ve mentioned, the Delta variant.”

Mercedes Stephenson: Becoming a member of me now’s Well being Minister Patty Hajdu. Minister, good to see you, thanks for becoming a member of us.

We’re right here but once more to speak about COVID, which I believe quite a lot of us would fairly not be speaking about on Thanksgiving weekend. However so long as it is a matter, we are going to proceed to speak about it on this present. And as of us are gathering for the Thanksgiving vacation, there are quite a lot of households coming collectively and that additionally means there are quite a lot of kids. And one of many huge questions that we hear from viewers is: Are you anticipating that there can be vaccinations obtainable to Canadian kids and that they are going to be vaccinated? And in that case, what’s the timeline on that probably appear to be?

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Patty Hajdu, Well being Minister: It’s a extremely good query, and it’s an amazing signal that oldsters are anxious to have a vaccine that’s protected and efficient to be used of their youngsters as a result of as you might have identified, they continue to be actually susceptible in our communities and clearly, some kids get actually sick. Fortunately rather a lot them don’t, however some get very, very sick and naturally, they will additionally transmit the virus to different folks of their lives and their communities. We do know that Pfizer has submitted some information to Well being Canada regulators, however we anticipate the complete bundle within the subsequent week or two after which the regulators will do what they do, which is overview all of that information and proof, together with probably visiting among the manufacturing websites, to guarantee that they’re assured within the security information and the efficacy information, after which after they’re totally prepared to take action, they’ll approve it to be used in Canada. And as I mentioned, this—we do have a capability to expedite these evaluations as a result of now we have spent hundreds of thousands and hundreds of thousands of {dollars} to make sure the regulators have sufficient scientists and information analysts and researchers in order that—in order that they will in a short time do that work. However I’m reluctant to present you an actual date due to course, typically there’s backwards and forwards with the company about lacking items of knowledge, and so on.

Mercedes Stephenson: For certain, and clearly after we’re speaking about youngsters, folks need all of that data in place after they’re making the choice for his or her kids.

Booster photographs is one other topic that’s getting increasingly consideration. We’re listening to from among the huge pharma firms that there’s issues about how lengthy the photographs final that you just may want for those who’ve had two, to get a 3rd. In a rustic like Israel, for instance, they’re now mandating everyone to get one other booster shot. Do you anticipate that Well being Canada goes to suggest and to what diploma are you this—booster photographs for not simply those that are immunocompromised and aged however for all Canadians?

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Patty Hajdu, Well being Minister: Nicely I received’t pronounce what is going to occur with the scientists right here in Canada, however I do know they take a look at nationwide and worldwide information on immunity, on transmission charges and on efficacy from around the globe. Clearly, that is one thing that the Nationwide Advisory Committee on Immunization will weigh-in on as effectively. They’re, in actual fact, those which have not too long ago really helpful using booster photographs for immunocompromised folks or folks dwelling in congregate settings, and as that information turns into, you recognize, extra apparent I suppose, based mostly on the world’s expertise, then we may anticipate that there could also be modifications in recommendation from NACI, as effectively from Well being Canada, from the regulator perspective. In truth, firms, as you recognize, are making use of for using boosters in international locations and that information can be very useful in making these selections for each the regulators and the advisory committee.

Mercedes Stephenson: Do now we have sufficient provide proper now to present each Canadian a booster shot if that’s the suggestion?

Patty Hajdu, Well being Minister: Nicely now we have sufficient provide bought for certain, for Canadians that will require booster photographs within the circumstances that everybody would want a booster shot. However once more, what we can be following carefully is the information and the advice by the regulators and by the advisory committees, and naturally, these are provincial selections on the finish of the day. The Nationwide Advisory Committee on Immunization will present their recommendation. The regulators, in fact, will regulate a few product security within the Canadian area. However on the finish of the day, totally different provinces might have totally different approaches based mostly on their very own medical recommendation. And all I can say is that ought to there be a requirement for everybody to have a booster, then Canadians could be assured that we’ll have the availability we want.

Mercedes Stephenson: And in terms of the place you possibly can journey and the place you possibly can’t, one of many huge questions for lots of oldsters who’re snowbirds interested by going to the US, or hoping to lastly have the ability to guide a trip someplace heat, safely this yr, is the query of vaccine mixing. Proper now, the US received’t acknowledge somebody as totally vaccinated who’s had an AstraZeneca shot after which, say, a Moderna or Pfizer shot. We’re anticipating their guidelines on air travellers who can come into the nation to kick in fairly quickly. Have you ever talked to your counterpart about this in the US? Will they acknowledge Canadians as being totally vaccinated who’ve combined vaccines, or may we probably have many, many, many individuals who can’t go south of the border?

Patty Hajdu, Well being Minister: Nicely first I’ll simply say, and I’ll remind Canadians that as annoying as it’s, and I believe everyone is wanting ahead to a scorching vacation, however some Canadians even need to journey as a result of they haven’t seen household in a really very long time, that we nonetheless have journey advisories in place recommending that individuals don’t journey until it’s completely obligatory. And there are a few causes for that. One, you recognize, there are a variety of locations on the planet the place COVID remains to be very, very uncontrolled, together with some American states, and we additionally know that totally different jurisdictions change guidelines round journey in a short time. And we’ve seen quite a few tales over the past 18 months or so of Canadians discovering out after they’ve arrived overseas that the principles have modified and that they now have hurdles to get again to Canada, or challenges to get into the nation wherein they’ve simply arrived. So these suggestions, these advisories are nonetheless in place.

I’ll say on the difficulty of combined dosing, members of—my counterparts have had conversations with their colleagues. I spoke with Secretary Becerra earlier than the election. That is one thing that I believe all international locations are working via which vaccines will they settle for as proof of vaccination for entry into the nation, and we’re going to proceed to work with our American counterparts to share all the information they should transfer on this problem.

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Mercedes Stephenson: Are you assured that you just’ll have the ability to persuade them that the combined vaccines are protected and efficient?

Patty Hajdu, Well being Minister: Nicely I’d simply say they’ve an analogous course of to ours, Mercedes, which is that they are going to be consulting with their very own advisory committees, their very own regulators, and naturally, security and efficacy information from around the globe. I’ll say that we’ll proceed to, clearly, press the People to acknowledge vaccine dose mixing. However finally, on the finish of the day, that is work that’s occurring around the globe in a wide range of jurisdictions and we all know that, for instance, the World Well being Group (WHO) provides vaccines regularly that they really feel are protected and efficient and will we settle for it as proof of trip. Right here in Canada, for instance, to enter Canada, you need to be totally vaccinated with a vaccine that’s authorised to be used right here in Canada, which is an irritant for some travellers who’ve been vaccinated in different jurisdictions. I think that it will proceed to be a piece in progress for international locations, together with the US, together with Canada about how we be sure that now we have the boldness in vaccines that we haven’t had the flexibility to completely overview from a scientific database. And that’s the work that we’ll proceed to do right here in Canada, and I’m assured our worldwide companions will achieve this as effectively.

Mercedes Stephenson: Your authorities is introducing a program whereby you need to be vaccinated and supply proof of vaccination, to get on a aircraft or a practice in Canada, to have the ability to journey. We hear from some viewers who say they really feel that is unfair. They really feel they’re being focused. They need to know why they will’t fast take a look at. What do you say to people who find themselves offended about this program, to elucidate to them why your authorities has made this determination?

Patty Hajdu, Well being Minister: Nicely initially, I can simply say that, you recognize, pay attention, dwelling via a pandemic, a world pandemic is irritating, it’s scary and it’s—and so many individuals have had so many tough conditions. Some now we have heard about and others that we possibly won’t ever hear about. So my coronary heart is with everybody who’s struggling via this pandemic and the numerous, many challenges it’s putting on households, on communities and on provinces. And I’ll simply say that by way of this explicit coverage, it’s about making a protected area for everybody, initially, who has to journey, that we’re assured that these journey areas are as protected as attainable, stopping the transmission of the virus from each other. Nevertheless it’s additionally a extremely necessary element of decreasing the transmissibility of the virus from one spot to a different throughout the nation. As you recognize, we’ve seen outbreaks the place folks have travelled for a wide range of causes throughout the nation, both for work or for private causes, and unwittingly, seeded an an infection in one other neighborhood. So this coverage will serve the aim of making home journey areas which might be far safer for everybody, but additionally assist scale back the mobility of the virus. On the finish of the day, you recognize, communities are working extremely arduous to maintain COVID out of their neighborhood to allow them to proceed to guard the well being of everybody, but additionally proceed to offer the functioning of their communities, their faculties, their small enterprise and their financial system.

Mercedes Stephenson: One final query for you a few drug that’s being utilized in the US made by Merck, a capsule to deal with COVID. Any information on when that antiviral is perhaps authorised in Canada?

Patty Hajdu, Well being Minister: Nicely I don’t have a particular date. I do know that the regulators have reached out to the company and people conversations are ongoing. We’re very excited clearly about any software that we are able to have entry to right here in Canada that’s a protected remedy for COVID-19. Actually that can go a great distance in including to the toolbox, if you’ll, of the measures that we’re at the moment utilizing to guard folks, to avoid wasting lives and to cease the unfold of the virus. So we’ll proceed that work with Merck and make it possible for after they’re able to undergo Canada, we’re able to quickly overview that software.

Mercedes Stephenson: Minister Hajdu, thanks a lot to your time in the present day.

Patty Hajdu, Well being Minister: Thanks very a lot, Mercedes. Have an amazing Thanksgiving weekend.

Mercedes Stephenson: Up subsequent, the view from the entrance strains. We’ll converse to 2 medical doctors in arduous hit Saskatchewan and Alberta concerning the impression of COVID on well being care employees and the sufferers they’re attempting to avoid wasting.


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Mercedes Stephenson: The most recent federal well being information exhibits that greater than 82 per cent of eligible Canadians are totally vaccinated, and there are indicators that COVID circumstances are beginning to drop, however not all over the place. There are nonetheless areas of the nation experiencing excessive charges of an infection and that’s overwhelming already stretched hospitals.

Saskatchewan and Alberta proceed to see the best charges of COVID circumstances and hospitalization within the nation. On the entrance strains of the disaster are well being care employees. Medical doctors and nurses who’ve been sharing their tales of exhaustion and burnout as ICUs are overwhelmed with COVID sufferers.

Becoming a member of me now’s Dr. Paul Parks, he’s an emergency doctor in Medication Hat, Alberta and he’s additionally the Emergency Division President of the Alberta Medical Affiliation, in addition to Dr. Alex Wong, he’s an infectious illness specialist in Regina. Thanks each for becoming a member of us, medical doctors. Clearly, you’re proper on the frontlines of this disaster. You’re seeing it up shut.

Dr. Wong, I used to be actually struck by a Twitter publish that you just put up describing the desperation of a terminally sick COVID affected person who tragically died of this illness. Are you able to inform us what you’re listening to from sufferers within the hospitals, particularly unvaccinated sufferers who’re discovering out they’ve COVID-19 and realizing simply how dire the scenario is?

Dr. Alex Wong, Infectious Illness Specialist, Regina, Saskatchewan: You realize it’s all kinds of feelings, however I believe what we mostly see is, you recognize, quite a lot of concern, quite a lot of regrets, quite a lot of disappointment, and truthfully, there’s instances the place there’s anger and the place there’s denial as effectively, this could’t be occurring to me. You realize, so it’s a complete vary. However, you recognize, it doesn’t matter what we see, it’s—it’s usually actually tragic, you recognize, folks asking, you recognize, can I get vaccinated now? Is it too late? You realize, are you able to give me the photographs? You realize, is that going to assist me? You realize, after which once more, I imply, you recognize, when individuals are deteriorating shortly, I imply, attempting to facilitate phrases to household and family members and so forth, these telephone calls and people FaceTime movies and so forth earlier than somebody must be intubated and you recognize, it’s simply—it simply tugs on the coronary heart strings. And so, you recognize, I believe there’s quite a lot of exhaustion, clearly, particularly amongst our ICU workers, you recognize, those who—it’s our greatest folks taking care of probably the most sick people and, you recognize, it’s tremendously arduous at this level within the fourth wave, looking for, you recognize, the power and the spirit and no matter we have to sort of preserve pushing ahead. And there’s quite a lot of a way of, you recognize, that we’re attempting to, you recognize, sort of be there for each other greater than something at this level, and clearly, for the sufferers that we serve.

Mercedes Stephenson: Dr. Parks, you wrote that very highly effective letter to Premier Jason Kenney, asking him to truly come to the hospital, to return to the ICUs and to see what is occurring on the entrance strains, as a result of the mental concept of there being extra mattress capability, you had been saying in your letter, doesn’t mirror the fact of the jigsaw puzzle that’s entering into to try to transfer sufferers round, to have the ability to accommodate this and simply how powerful it’s. Have you ever heard something about whether or not the premier may come and truly see this? Any sense of whether or not your plea is registering?

Dr. Paul Parks, Emergency Doctor in Medication Hat, Alberta: So we—now we have heard from the minister of well being that he’s going to attempt to prepare a gathering, however at this cut-off date, I don’t assume both of them have taken us up on our plea, really, that they arrive and see for, you recognize with their very own eyes, the human impression. In order that’s the large factor that we’re actually involved about is that it’s usually simple to only take a look at numbers on the web page and see 1000’s of circumstances and a whole bunch of individuals in ICU and neglect the true human impression that that has on the sufferers after which are available in and see what it’s wish to have over full ICU departments within the basements of our hospital, or select critically-ill susceptible sufferers in a room that’s solely designed for one. Come see how arduous the well being care employees are—are actually struggling to ship, you recognize, it’s suboptimal care, nevertheless it’s the perfect we are able to do. And so, you recognize, I liken it to, you recognize, a common in catastrophe wartimes must see what he’s ordering the troops to do. I actually assume that our leaders, after they’re making insurance policies and making selections, they—they should are available in and see the true human impression that’s occurring in our hospitals.

Mercedes Stephenson: Dr. Wong, you recognize, what’s your sense or your perception on why it’s that some politicians don’t appear to need to put restrictions in place, in locations, for instance, like Saskatchewan at gatherings? What do you assume is the motivating issue there since you’re wanting on the well being aspect, however I do know you’re each very politically conscious people as effectively? You perceive how this works. What do you assume the holdup is?

Dr. Alex Wong, Infectious Illness Specialist, Regina, Saskatchewan: You realize, once more, as well being care employees and as medical doctors, I believe our duty is to advocate for the system, to advocate for our colleagues, to advocate for sufferers and, you recognize, to attenuate loss of life and struggling. And that’s what we’re seeing proper now and it’s simply overwhelming us, and it’s going to worsen not less than right here in Saskatchewan earlier than it will get higher. Regardless of the—the political calculus of all that is, and once more, I imply, I—I can speculate. I don’t essentially know the way useful that’s. You realize, I—I don’t know whether or not or not it’s about doing what’s most politically expedient or handy, or—or whether or not or not it’s about probably worrying about insulting a sure voter base, or, you recognize, having a sure group of people be upset or offended. However what’s occurring proper now within the province is—that, you recognize, has impacts throughout the board like with our financial system, with well being care, you recognize, with the psychological well being and wellbeing of—of each—of all Saskatchewanians, but additionally, you recognize, clearly these within the well being care system. And the impacts of this, you recognize, past after we get out of this a way, by some means in six, eight, ten, twelve weeks’ time, there’s going to be these long-term impacts on our well being care system, well being care employees and so forth that I don’t even know what that’s even going to appear to be. So, you recognize, our duty is to proceed to advocate, to take action in ways in which, you recognize, are applicable and on the identical time, you recognize, realizing that that’s the duty of our elected officers and, you recognize, we on the entrance strains, must do all the pieces attainable, to offer the very best care for each affected person that wants it.

Dr. Paul Parks, Emergency Doctor in Medication Hat, Alberta: I used to be simply going so as to add to that. Simply that it’s actually crucial that the, you recognize, Canadians and our leaders perceive too, that this isn’t nearly COVID sufferers. So we’re speaking now like if somebody has a motorized vehicle collision, we’d have problem caring for them. We’re speaking about 10,000 cancelled scheduled surgical procedures. The impression is so vast and thus far unfold that the ramifications we’ll be coping with goes to be months and months lengthy, and that’s why we’re attempting so arduous to get the eye proper now of the decision-makers and coverage makers.

Mercedes Stephenson: What’s the emotional impression on you as physicians? And never simply these within the ICU, as a result of clearly, there’s a really severe impression when you’re treating the sickest sufferers, when are having to be with them as they’re dying. One thing a household would usually have the ability to be there and maintain their hand, and when it’s COVID that usually is just not the case. However the impression as effectively on having to ship information to most cancers sufferers that they’re unable to get a surgical procedure, or to somebody who has been injured that they’re not going to have the ability to get that knee substitute, how does that really feel simply on a human degree?

Dr. Paul Parks, Emergency Doctor in Medication Hat, Alberta: You realize what’s actually, actually arduous is each single day we’re on the entrance strains in emerge and we’re repeatedly having to ship this sort of information and this sort of impression and it’s actually tough as a result of we additionally know that quite a lot of this could possibly be prevented if we may have good public well being coverage and huge numbers of individuals vaccinated. Quite a lot of what we’re seeing now’s—is, you recognize, very tough to must cope with day in and time out, figuring out the true human struggling that it’s inflicting and so it’s very demoralizing. We’re there. We’re going to proceed doing our very best. The nurses are stretched as skinny as they will and on daily basis they’re nonetheless coming to work, nevertheless it’s tiring and it’s demoralizing.

Dr. Alex Wong, Infectious Illness Specialist, Regina, Saskatchewan: And I simply need to echo, you recognize, what Paul mentioned and to say, you recognize, when folks ask us, for instance, you recognize, why their surgical procedures are being cancelled, their procedures are being cancelled, why they will’t go for no matter it’s that they in any other case had been scheduled for, they ask us why and we don’t have any solutions for that, you recognize, apart from to say, you recognize, there’s simply—it’s only a actually tough time. So, you recognize, once more, the impacts are going to be felt long-term, you recognize, no matter whether or not you might have COVID or whether or not you don’t. You realize, we’re going to be digging out of this for months and months to return.

Mercedes Stephenson: Dr. Wong, Dr. Parks, thanks each a lot for becoming a member of us and to your arduous work on the entrance strains of this pandemic. Canadians respect what you’re doing.

Dr. Paul Parks, Emergency Doctor in Medication Hat, Alberta: Thanks, Mercedes.

Dr. Alex Wong, Infectious Illness Specialist, Regina, Saskatchewan: Thanks. Thanks for reporting on this. It’s necessary. Thanks very a lot.

Mercedes Stephenson: Up subsequent, serving to these in want. Learn how Governor Basic Mary Might Simon spent her first Thanksgiving in her new position. The main points on her first state go to are up subsequent.


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Mercedes Stephenson: Thanksgiving is all about coming collectively and giving thanks for all that now we have, however many Canadians are alone and in want on this lengthy weekend.

Unidentified Speaker: “I’ll get you one.”

Unidentified Speaker: [00:00:19]

Mercedes Stephenson: Governor Basic Mary Might Simon and her husband, Whit Fraser, visited the Ottawa Mission this weekend, serving meals to those that want a serving to hand. Additionally they hung out studying extra concerning the providers the Mission supplies to folks experiencing homelessness and poverty. In a single week, Simon will depart on her first official state go to. She’s going to move to Germany, the place she can be representing Canada on the Frankfurt E book Honest, the world’s largest literary commerce present.

That’s our present for this Thanksgiving weekend. Thanks for watching, and we’ll be again right here subsequent Sunday. I’m Mercedes Stephenson, for The West Block. Completely happy Thanksgiving.

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