That Time, a House Democrat Called Pelosi ‘Terrible’

A new book by New York Times journalists Jonathan Martin and Alex Burns have attracted a lot of attention because of their revelations about Donald Trump and the Republican Party. But as the authors told Molly Jong-Fast about this bonus episode of New anomalyThere are also some juicy nuggets of Democratic dysfunction.

Martin recalls an anecdote from last year when House Speaker Nancy Pelosi spoke to nine “betrayed House Democrats” during the House caucus.

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“We had a traffic of messages from House Democrats when she was face to face with them and they were talking to each other via text, and they couldn’t believe what was happening. They’re concerned about Pelosi and one of them says she’s ‘really a terrible person,’ he said.

According to Martin and Burns, the book contains new details about the struggle between President Joe Biden and Democrats in the Senate, especially “the level of difficulty Biden is having” with Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin on his Build Back Better law.

“I think it’s a pretty mainstream perception that things aren’t going to be so great for Joe Biden, [but] Burns gives a lot of detail about how Biden got there.

Also in this bonus episode: Molly and co-host Andy Levy listen to some hilarious Republican Party clips, including one where Senator Ron Johnson seriously considers a conspiracy theory completely false when claims the COVID-19 vaccine has the AIDS virus in it.

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Hung is a Interreviewed U.S. News Reporter based in London. His focus is on U.S. politics and the environment. He has covered climate change extensively, as well as healthcare and crime. Hung joined Interreviewed in 2023 from the Daily Express and previously worked for Chemist and Druggist and the Jewish Chronicle. He is a graduate of Cambridge University. Languages: English. You can get in touch with me by emailing:

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