Steve Danuser and Morgan Day Talk Eternity’s End Update, Future of Shadowlands

The previous couple of years have been exhausting for a lot of builders, however World of Warcraft has seen a variety of roadblocks. Delays from the COVID-19 pandemic compounded with lawsuits filed in opposition to Blizzard this summer time. As Blizzard begins to re-examine itself and deal with most of the considerations raised in opposition to it, World of Warcraft publicizes “Eternity’s Finish,” the following massive content material replace for the sport nearly a 12 months after the Shadowlands enlargement launched.

“Eternity’s Finish” will take gamers to the Zerith Mortis; a primordial world the place the traditional First Ones created the realms of the Shadowlands and the creatures who dwell inside them. The Maw Walkers will lastly attain the Sepulcher of the First ones – the reality-bending workshop on the coronary heart of Zerith Mortis – the place they may face down The Jailer. Sport Rant spoke with lead narrative designer Steve Danuser and lead recreation designer Morgan Day concerning the story awaiting gamers in “Eternity’s Finish,” and the potential way forward for many main characters in addition to WoW itself. Interview has been edited for readability and brevity.


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Q: Sylvanas goes to be fairly essential on this coming chapter of the story, and has been a significant character since Warcraft 3. How lengthy have you ever been planning the arc along with her, the Jailer, and the connection to the Shadowlands?

Danuser: Sylvanas’ story has been lengthy, and has taken many twists and turns through the years. There’s followers who love her and adore her as a hero, and there’s others who’ve seen her as a villain, not only recently, however for some time. Even again in Vanilla, once you did quests with Sylvanas, she was clearly as much as some very questionable ways. However clearly, with events in Battle for Azeroth, she escalated to a stage not seen earlier than. She’s all the time been linked to the powers of Dying–when she was struck down by Arthas, that was the inciting incident that acquired her wrapped up on this. A few of these particulars weren’t fleshed out and didn’t come to life till we had been in a position to present them in Shadowlands.

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So, that was an attention-grabbing course of, trying on the arcs now we have been build up and saying, “Okay, what can we do in these realms of Dying with Shadowlands to actually deliver all of that stuff to bear?” In Battle for Azeroth, a number of her plans and machinations had been hid; we didn’t perceive why she was doing the issues she had accomplished. Shadowlands was our time to actually lay her playing cards on the desk. No extra secrets and techniques, no extra lies. She was in a position to inform Anduin, and by extension our gamers, what she was as much as. So, we’ve had these threads in motion for a very long time and we had deliberate the full narrative arc of Shadowlands, along with her and the Jailer and Anduin–that triad was core to the story we’re telling. These threads had been planted early on within the Shadowlands story planning, and it’s superior to see them come to fruition right here in “Eternity’s Finish.” It’s been an extended street, however hopefully followers will see it’s a really thrilling one with the twists and turns coming on this content material replace.

Q: On the finish of “Chains of Domination,” Sylvanas turned in opposition to the Jailer and acquired part of her essence again, which was taken when she was first killed, just like what occurred with Uther. Are gamers going to see the ramifications of what which means? Did the cut up affect any of Sylvanas’ selections since Warcraft 3? Does the opposite aspect of the spirit have a narrative to inform?

Danuser: Yeah, so we’re positively going into spoiler territory there, however what I’ll say, as with “Chains of Domination” and Shadowlands itself, “Eternity’s Finish” has an unfolding chapter arc that takes you thru the story, and as soon as we get our legs beneath us in Zerith Mortis, get the lay of the land, and discover out what the Jailer’s as much as there, the story positively goes into the truth that we need to know what Sylvanas knows. We’d like the knowledge that’s inside her head as a result of Anduin remains to be beneath the Jailer’s management. He’s gone, so with out him, Sylvanas is the following smartest thing now we have to understanding what the Jailer’s technique is. So, we’re going to want to talk to her and discover out what data she has and the way that data can assist us confront the Jailer. So, she shall be coming into the “Eternity’s Finish” story early on and we’ll discover out a number of these issues, about what getting that fragment of her soul jammed again into her by the Jailer, what impact that has on her psyche.

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As we’ve seen with Uther, it had a reasonably devastating impact on him and that was one thing he took a very long time to work by means of. I feel you’ll discover there are dramatic similarities there with what Sylvanas shall be going by means of and with what Uther went by means of. Actually, he can function one thing of a information for her by means of that course of; he had nobody to assist information him, however Uther understands what it is like to go through something like that, and also you’ll see how possibly he can assist information Sylvanas by means of these treacherous waters.

Day: That’s all the time one of the thrilling components about engaged on the story and likewise how we convey that story inside the World of Warcraft by means of the gameplay. It’s all the time enjoyable to deal with and discover, particularly with “Eternity’s Finish” as we step foot into the Sepulcher of the First ones. The story of Anduin and Sylvanas, the place the Jailer’s energy is derived from, what’s he in a position to do with this Domination magic and the way does it have an effect on not solely Anduin however how would it not have an effect on the gamers. We have now to come back nose to nose with the Jailer on this finale, so how will we fight that? That’s one thing we’re all the time impressed by. We all the time search for inspiration from the story, and learn how to inform that story inside sure parts of the gameplay.


Q: Gamers have fought many Horde characters previously, however just a few Alliance characters as boss fights, lots of which had been visions or alternate histories. Although he’s not beneath full management of himself, what was it like taking a beloved character like Anduin and turning him right into a actual boss battle?

Day: That was each a delight and a significant problem. Any time we’re coping with characters that folks have a number of fairness constructed for–they love these characters. Within the case of Anduin, we’ve actually seen him develop up, after we had been first launched to him and seen his development by means of all of the expansions, how he got here to be a pacesetter in Battle for Azeroth, and now the place we’ve been led into the Shadowlands. There’s loads to grapple with there. Additionally, with the parallels between a few of our earlier storylines, like Arthas and the Lich King and now Anduin, there are many enjoyable hooks to play with there.

I don’t wish to get too deep into spoiler territory to speak concerning the specifics of the encounter, however one thing we’re doing that’s attention-grabbing with this raid is admittedly diving deep into what’s it about Zovaal, what is that this domination magic, and the way will we fight it. Like Steve talked about, there are a number of enjoyable story parts each with Sylvanas and Uther but in addition Anduin doubtlessly performs a task there in figuring out how we fight that. In order that’s one thing we’re additionally enjoying with that’s actually thrilling.

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And the Sepulcher of the First Ones itself by way of the raid, oh, it’s so epic! A enjoyable little story after we had been creating it: now we have our pre-production course of–we work on layouts, we work on our boss listing–one thing we found very early in improvement, as we had been working with grey bins–actually squares, corridor rooms, and no textures–we realized was the scope and scale of this raid is one thing we actually haven’t had a lot alternative to develop earlier than. That is the Sepulcher of the First ones; that is the origin of the Shadowlands and the Afterlives.

The size of this must be one thing we haven’t seen earlier than. So, one thing that’s actually enjoyable inside the raid is you really fly across the raid on a flight path. There’s an entire transportation community inside the raid you employ to maneuver round between the completely different wings and parts as a result of it’s simply that massive and epic. You’ll be able to’t simply run down the hallway and get to locations the place afterlives are created, proper? We have now to do one thing a little bit bit completely different with this raid, in order that’s all been a deal with to get to develop and discover that basically distinctive house afforded to us in “Eternity’s Finish.”


Q: Gamers have seen some thrilling and diverse locations in Shadowlands up till this level, however Zerith Mortis appears to be a peak of idea in Shadowlands. Through the teaser, you talked about this was the ultimate chapter of this explicit ebook within the collection. Does that imply there isn’t going to be a 9.3, and that the following factor you’d be constructing in the direction of can be the enlargement?

Danuser: As I discussed within the video, we got down to plan the Shadowlands story as this drama in three acts. We have now supposed forEternity’s Finish” to be the fruits of that story. That doesn’t imply it’s the final quantity of content material we launch, however that is actually the closure of the Shadowlands arc. As I teased in there, there’s much more stuff within the works we’re not speaking about but, however we actually needed “Eternity’s Finish” to characterize all these threads being pulled collectively from the very beginning in Warcraft 3. There’s character arcs and story threads that basically come collectively right here, and I feel followers who’ve been following the Warcraft saga all this time will discover a number of very satisfying conclusions to all these threads, so I’m tremendous excited for everybody to lastly be capable of play this and see how the story comes collectively.

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Q: After this, it appears there’s solely two instructions World of Warcraft can go; it could actually get even greater idea, or it could actually begin going again to the roots about the place it got here from. Which course will the story be going subsequent?

Danuser: I feel the large factor to remove from “Eternity’s Finish” – what we see in Zerith Mortis and within the Sepulcher of the First Ones – is the probabilities of the long run. Warcraft is, by its nature, such a diverse universe, there’s a lot to delve into. There’s very character-driven private tales, the Heroes’ Journey of humble beginnings leading to great adventure, and there’s additionally these massive cosmic themes. I feel we’ve set each of these trajectories up for the way forward for Warcraft. It’s not one factor or the opposite; there’s all the time going to be storylines and threads that go off in numerous completely different instructions, so I received’t remark particularly on what’s subsequent, however don’t assume it’s simply going to be one factor. There’s storylines build up for the following nice ebook within the Warcraft saga. A few of that groundwork is laid right here, however there’s much more again on Azeroth we have to get again to, and delve into some storylines and characters there.


Day: And that’s one of many nice components about engaged on World of Warcraft. Zerith Mortis is cosmic in its nature and origins, and we’re going to study much more concerning the cosmology of World of Warcraft, however the potential and alternative to remain grounded in these little tales regardless of how giant the scope or scale turns into is all the time superb. Issues that aren’t going to be ending the world, however are actually enjoyable to discover. There’s all new ecologies and several types of cultures to discover inside Zerith Mortis. Considered one of my favorites are the little creatures known as Automa, that are these constructs left behind by the progenitors. I’m certain you noticed a number of the video footage of them, however they’re very attention-grabbing creatures in their very own proper, they usually have their very own language we’re going to discover as we uncover the secrets and techniques of Zerith Mortis, one thing offered as a system within the outside world known as the Cipher of the First Ones.

We are going to make a little bit buddy, some Automa buddies, that can come alongside on our journeys with us. They’ll make little sounds and have symbols that we’ll slowly uncover learn how to interpret and perceive as we study extra about this place and about what has been taking place right here earlier than we confirmed up. “What had been they constructing on this place? What occurred earlier than we had been right here?” These little aspect tales are all the time thrilling for us to discover. We have now a number of enjoyable creating the characters and that’s all the time one thing we’re alternatives for. Individuals love these little aspect tales. They love these massive epic tales involving Sylvanas and the Jailer, however additionally they wish to know “what’s happening within the little woods over right here? Who am I going to search out in that focal point over there?”

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Q: What was it like designing encounters in these loopy high-concept locations just like the Sepulcher of the First Ones compared to a extra grounded idea, just like the siege of a metropolis?

Day: That’s an incredible query. That’s all the time one thing that retains us on our toes, and can be one thing the place we’re all the time searching for alternatives with the story we’re telling. Utilizing particular examples, this place was actually the origins of the Shadowlands, and when you know the Shadowlands is high-concept cosmology, there are some issues you may dig in there that turn out to be actually tangible and simply comprehensible–and transferable into an encounter.

So one of many ones I feel is admittedly attention-grabbing is, as you dive into the Sepulcher of the First Ones, one of many encounters you’ll come into is–I’m going to make use of nomenclature I shouldn’t–however that is the realm the place they’re “3D printing” the completely different creatures and objects all over the world. What would you’ve got seen in these areas? These prototypes, these experiments the progenitors may need been trying into. So one of many encounters is definitely completely different prototypes of the Pantheon of Dying we’ve seen. So, you’ll really encounter a prototype model of Denathrius inside the Sepulcher of the First Ones. And that’s actually enjoyable to mess around with as a result of you’re familiar with Denathrius–we’ve seen him battle at this level–however what would an incomplete model of that seem like, or a model that may be a little bit combined between the completed product we noticed? And one thing that’s possibly utilizing extra progenitor magic–which I like to name “Math Magic” as a result of they’re throwing shapes at you. So, there are tons of alternatives to search out numerous issues we really feel we will translate in a really comprehensible means that additionally has thrilling gameplay connected to it whereas the cosmic story is going down.

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Danuser: Each time we’re creating a brand new raid or dungeon or something like that, the encounter and narrative people spend a number of time collectively simply speaking by means of concepts and characters. It truly is superior to see them take these ideas and actually deliver them to life in a number of the most visceral gameplay now we have by way of a gaggle of buddies getting collectively to battle some boss, and the way do the mechanics assist inform that story. It’s an excellent enjoyable problem, and it’s one thing that basically energizes the staff, to get collectively and jam on these concepts, and let these greatest concepts rise to the highest.

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Q: If you happen to needed to decide, what can be the favourite encounter you’ve ever designed, and do you suppose any of the fights within the Sepulcher of the First Ones prime them?

Day: I can’t decide a favourite little one, that’s too powerful! However I feel there’s a number of within the Sepulcher which can be going to be actually thrilling. Relating to encounter design, there’s the thrilling mechanics, and executing the encounter is tremendous enjoyable, however when you’ve got one thing actually memorable and tangible as a place to begin, it actually multiplies all the things. So once you take a look at one thing just like the Anduin encounter–Anduin has such fairness with the gamers, so when you’ve got that, the place it’s so memorable and you may tie that into mechanics that play into the fantasy of “What’s Anduin?” Effectively, he’s a priest; nicely he’s additionally acquired this Domination magic, and we’ve seen how that has performed out in gameplay all through the Shadowlands. Whenever you marry that fantasy with these mechanics, together with all of the fairness Anduin has as a personality, I really feel like that simply turns into this multiplicative issue the place you actually can create one thing really memorable.

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From earlier expansions, I take a look at an encounter like Mekkatorque. This can be a character we all know and love, and you are taking that enjoyable, thrilling character, and also you tie it with these bizarre puzzles as a result of he’s a tinker, and also you’re continuously having to unravel puzzles in the course of the encounter to save lots of your allies–or stop your self from exploding. Whenever you tie these two issues collectively, it actually creates one thing distinctive, so I’m actually excited for Anduin for all these causes. And naturally Zovaal, however I don’t wish to speak an excessive amount of about that battle, as a result of I really feel like there’s a number of spoilers that can happen throughout that encounter.

That’s one thing we’re all the time seeking to push ourselves on, is that capacity to tie narrative in with the gameplay, particularly with regards to the ultimate encounter of the raid. Like in “Chains of Domination”, the place an entire three-act play in itself came about, the place we had been on the prime of Torghast, after which we noticed Oribos get chained to Torghast, after which we travelled to Oribos–that entire journey we went on as a participant is one thing we’re all the time seeking to obtain.

Danuser: One factor I might add is that by having the story deliberate upfront, by realizing the place we needed to finish up by means of this arc, we had been in a position to lay hints early on in Shadowlands that can come to fruition, even all the way in which to the battle in opposition to the Jailer. It takes years to construct these expansions, so seeing all of that come to life, to have these concepts and ideas early on, and now lastly see them in recreation coming to life, it’s an enormous thrill and a number of enjoyable.

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Day: Once we see gamers guess a little bit little bit of the place we’re going, that’s thrilling. It’s like “Sure!” We plant these little seeds in hopes of foreshadowing some of the events that are going to take place, so after we see individuals decide up on that, that’s actually thrilling. If everybody was utterly stunned, then from our perspective, it’s like, “Oh, possibly our hints weren’t loud sufficient,” and “We may have accomplished extra there,” however to have this journey we’re happening collectively actually really feel natural, it ought to make sense.

Danuser: It’s tremendous enjoyable to see what they get proper, and tremendous enjoyable to see what they acquired mistaken as a result of they jumped to different conclusions, so it’s a number of enjoyable.

Q: Are there any dream encounters you by no means acquired to make? Any characters who aren’t round anymore, or who a boss battle isn’t possible for, like Lor’themar or Thrall?

Day: Steve, who do you wish to punch that we haven’t had the possibility to punch but?

Danuser: Effectively, we do have these discussions about who we needs to be punching, and the nice factor is, so long as these characters are nonetheless within the universe, or someplace within the Shadowlands, who is aware of what the long run will deliver? There’s all the time alternatives to do one thing about that. There’s a lot groundwork we’ve laid in “Eternity’s Finish” to have a sort of universe of potentialities. We’re including one other layer to the cosmology, a wrapper if you’ll, that reveals how the First Ones architected not solely the Shadowlands, however the cosmos past, and people are storylines that arrange all types of potentialities for down the street.

Day: One of many areas we’ve needed to deal with and grapple with a little bit bit is at a sure level is the literal scale of issues will get fairly wild. Simply pondering again to Legion, when we were encountering the Burning Legion, we had been speaking early on about, “So, Sargeras… What will we do? I’ve seen footage, he’s the dimensions of a planet. How does that work?” So there’s definitely challenges we’ve needed to grapple with. The story’s one factor, however now we have to promote this concept. We have now to make it enjoyable to battle in-game, and the way will we marry these issues collectively. So these are all the time enjoyable discussions to have.

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Q: One character who wasn’t within the trailer was Tyrande, whose story is intrinsically tied to Sylvanas due to the occasions that kicked off Battle for Azeroth. Are gamers going to see the decision to that battle, particularly after their scene with Elune in “Chains of Domination?”

Danuser: From the occasions of Battle for Azeroth, by means of the start of Shadowlands, and thru issues we’ve seen all alongside the way in which, Tyrande and Sylvanas have been on this collision course. We saw them fight it out in that opening scenario in “Chains of Domination,” and sure, regardless that she didn’t seem in that video, I guarantee you, her storyline, and that intersection with Sylvanas, is pivotal to the occasions of “Eternity’s Finish.” With out spoilers, I might say these two figures have loads to – I don’t know if “resolve” is the precise phrase, as a result of are you able to ever resolve one thing that occurs on the dimensions of a complete civilization practically being worn out? There’s going to be some very heavy interplay between these characters, and that’s pivotal to the ultimate conclusion of how “Eternity’s Finish” and the Shadowlands saga wraps up.

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Q: If you happen to needed to decide one or perhaps a few, who’re your favourite characters from Warcraft historical past?

Danuser: That’s a giant query. And, like Morgan mentioned, if I reply mistaken, individuals will say “See, that’s favoritism!” What I’ll say is that, whereas I like the established characters, like Sylvanas, Jaina, and Anduin, who’ve all that historical past you may faucet into, all these emotional cores you may actually attain the viewers with, I additionally actually take pleasure in characters who stand up by means of the course of an enlargement and turn out to be beloved in that means. So, for me, I look again fondly on most of the smaller characters, like Runas from Legion, the place you bought to journey with him and see him fade away on the finish within the swimming pools. Brother Zelling, in Battle for Azeroth, the place we acquired to see this man die and see his household, and he tries to succeed in out for them they usually reject him, the arc he has in there–it’s these sorts of tales which can be additionally thrilling to me, and simply as enjoyable as enjoying with these established franchise characters.

Day: Once more, exhausting to choose a favourite, however I’ll say I all the time like to see the characters the group takes a liking to that we’d not have even anticipated. We have now our personal favorites as we develop characters internally, particularly as we’re engaged on a brand new enlargement, the place we’re like “What’s going to individuals consider this character? I don’t know, we’ll see quickly!” Just like the story of, as the community affectionately calls him “Zappy Boi”, as he was launched in a cinematic and has really had fairly a little bit of character improvement since then. I all the time love these small characters that develop to have a bigger position.

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I suppose it isn’t a lot a personality as it’s a tradition, however I like the stewards. There’s simply one thing about them I feel is cute. Simply the way in which they communicate, their tradition, educating them to fly, you simply actually really feel a reference to them. Additionally, their animations are a few of my favorites. I feel the stewards are awesome. I don’t suppose… we didn’t punch any. No, we didn’t punch any. Do we have to make an evil steward?

Danuser: There’s some darkish stewards in Torghast which can be fairly scary. When you’ve got that big, bulked-up owl? That’s nasty, you don’t wish to see them as you’re turning a nook in Torghast!

Day: That’s true, that’s really a very good level. Make it actually massive; that owl’s scarily swole. Ought to have had a type of within the Sanctum of Domination, missed alternative there!


World of Warcraft: Shadowlands is obtainable on PC. “Eternity’s Finish” is at the moment in improvement.

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