China expert Matt Turpin on Beijing’s strategic objectives – “Intelligence Matters”

On this episode of “Intelligence Issues,” host Michael Morell speaks with Matt Turpin, former U.S. Military officer and an professional on China financial statecraft and expertise innovation on the Hoover Establishment, about Beijing’s long-term political and financial aims. Morell and Turpin talk about the adjustments that accompanied Xi Jinping’s rise to energy, in addition to the gradual shift in U.S. coverage in direction of Beijing. Turpin presents insights into the priorities and operations of the Chinese language Communist Social gathering and explains why he’s optimistic about the USA’ capacity to compete with China’s imaginative and prescient for the world.  

Highlights:  

  • China’s strategic aims: “[W]hile I do not suppose that Beijing seeks to put in the clone of the Chinese language Communist Social gathering in each nation world wide, it does not desire a system that confines or undermines Beijing’s capacity to attain what it needs to do. So it is rather more for them about themselves and that the remainder of the world must get out of the best way versus making the remainder of the world appear like them.” 
  • Beijing’s ideological drive: “It is actually handy for us to wish to suppose that the communism of the Communist Social gathering, the Soviet Union, has been relegated to the dustbin of historical past and which might be our buddies in Beijing have discovered that that is not the best way to go. However more and more, it seems that that that language and that ideology infuses a lot of what the occasion says to itself.” 
  • Prospects for U.S.-China world rivalry: “I believe we needs to be assured, however that doesn’t imply that will probably be straightforward. We must make sacrifices and make investments vital sources to have the ability to do that over time. However I believe the form of world we would like sooner or later is value these investments and we should not shrink back from them.” 
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INTELLIGENCE MATTERS – MATT TURPIN / PRODUCER: OLIVIA GAZIS

MICHAEL MORELL: Matt, welcome to Intelligence Issues. It’s nice to have you ever with us.

MATT TURPIN: Thanks a lot, Mike, that is wonderful.

MICHAEL MORELL: Matt, I wish to begin by asking you a bit about your profession. You attended and graduated from the U.S. Navy Academy at West Level. I wish to ask you, how did you find yourself there? What attracted you about serving within the navy?

MATT TURPIN: I entered West Level in 1991, and clearly we had, the summer season 1991, we had simply fought the Gulf Battle. I had been form of within the navy. My dad is a school professor that had grandfathers within the navy and an aunt and uncle. However I had no actual expertise. Nevertheless it appeared like one thing thrilling. It appeared like one thing that I might form of belong to. And as a highschool scholar popping out of Southern California, amazingly, there weren’t a complete bunch of folks that wished to go to upstate New York.

So my capacity to get into to West Level was a lot simpler than my capacity to get into the Naval Academy or the Air Pressure Academy. So it simply kind of turned out that means. Nevertheless it was one thing that I used to be taken with however actually did not have any thought of what it was like. I might by no means been to West Level earlier than. I confirmed up the day earlier than reception day and drove in on a bus from like Newark, New Jersey. Your entire bus was silent as everybody was realizing that this was kind of the tip for fairly some time and we might be getting off and getting yelled at and harassed. And it turned out to be precisely that means for for a few years.

MICHAEL MORELL: After which the place does your curiosity in China come from?

MATT TURPIN: I didn’t truly spend any of my tutorial profession, whether or not it was as an undergrad or graduate college – I truly you could have a graduate diploma in American historical past from from from UNC Chapel Hill. And it wasn’t actually till about a bit over a decade in the past as I took an project, I obtained to decide on between an project being a liaison officer on the Pentagon for CENTCOM, so, centered on the Center East. Or I might go be a struggle planner out in Honolulu at Pacific Command. And that was a reasonably straightforward selection, all issues thought-about. And in order that was 2010. And clearly, that was kind of the start of a pivot or rebalance to Asia. And so I obtained kind of a entrance row seat because the US coverage group started to pivot and rebalance in direction of the challenges that we noticed in Asia and so have been form of doing that for I assume a bit over a decade now.

However that is how I obtained into it. It wasn’t essentially that I had an extended profession as I would not essentially be referred to as a traditional China hand. I used to be rather more taken with U.S. coverage, kind of what our nationwide safety and international coverage pursuits had been. It simply occurred to be that Beijing was starting to pose a number of the most vital challenges, which is what pushed me into that space.

MICHAEL MORELL: What did you study China in that job at Pacific Command? How did that form your views?

MATT TURPIN: It gave me a a reasonably intense understanding of our navy problem, in addition to a view of how our allies and companions seen the US place. So this was close to the start of the Obama administration, there have been clear efforts by the administration to start to rebalance what it was centered on. And I obtained to see that up shut from a headquarters that was it each day and one of the vital vital issues on my pondering was the entire expertise across the earthquake, tsunami and nuclear accident in Japan in March of 2011 and the place we had been with with the Japanese authorities and the U.S. authorities in our relationships, up till that time, there had been some drifting and it was it was more and more tough to see how the US and Japan would proceed to function as an alliance.

That have actually kind of reset the US-Japanese relationship, after which that form of got here on the heels of quite a few issues that had been taking place to Japan and actually an actual appreciation of what the what the US’s function and the way we work together with its allies. And I obtained to observe it up shut with some actually spectacular leaders at Pacific Command, in addition to our of us on the bottom in Japan, that the U.S. and Japan might work collectively and will kind of cement its alliance and start to take care of an more and more aggressive and assertive Beijing that was stressing that worldwide system.

And in order that time frame, 2011 to 2012, was fairly instrumental, at the very least in my pondering, and made me understand that is one thing that we have to spend rather more time on. And it is what I made a decision to then not essentially return to the common military, however take a job again within the Pentagon, operating China’s technique within the Joint Employees for what ended up being 4 years working for Common Dempsey after which Common Dunford, Admiral Winnefeld and Common Selva, in addition to Deputy Secretary Work, which was very, very a lot instrumental in my fascinated by what the challenges had been and the way the USA must start to reply.

MICHAEL MORELL: And in what means?

MATT TURPIN: This era by early 2013, you could have Xi Jinping coming to energy. And you’ve got two modes of thought contained in the US authorities forming. One, that our technique that had been in place for actually about two to 2 and a half a long time, a technique of of utilizing financial engagement to drive political mobilization, it was it was changing into frayed. That technique was not essentially ensuing within the outcomes that we had anticipated, proper? We had been actually seeing some spectacular financial progress contained in the PRC and so from that sense, our intention to assist the Chinese language economic system develop gave the impression to be working fairly effectively.

However the different half of it, which is that we might then anticipate to see political liberalization, higher freedoms, higher transparency, the strengthening of the rule of legislation, a division of powers – clearly, as Xi Jinping got here in and cemented the place of the occasion, it grew to become more and more onerous to see how that technique of financial engagement was ensuing within the outcomes that we wished to see and that we wanted to to kind of wrestle with the implications of a change in our technique. And that transition level form of occurred between late 2013. After which, you understand, actually by the tip of the Obama administration, a realization that we had been possible going to need to pursue a distinct course and undertake a brand new technique to to safe U.S. pursuits and to guard the pursuits of our allies.

MICHAEL MORELL: Matt, then you definitely go to the White Home because the Director for China on the employees of the Nationwide Safety Council and as an adviser on China to the Secretary of Commerce. I wish to ask you two questions, actual fast questions. One, had been you continue to within the navy at that time or had you retired?

MATT TURPIN: I had retired the summer season of of 2017 after which interviewed with Secretary Ross throughout my time in terminal depart from the navy. A terminal depart is the final depart you are taking within the navy. It sounds worse than it’s the. After which I took the job at on the White Home and with the Commerce Division in January of 2018. So I had a few six month window from leaving the navy.

MICHAEL MORELL: And then you definitely’re coming again in as an appointee, and then you definitely do each of these jobs without delay, the commerce job and the NSC job or did one transition into the opposite? 

MATT TURPIN: So the commerce job, I used to be employed to take that job, to then be a element result in the White Home. So these had been simultaneous. You have to get to know the staff at Commerce, you understand, a completely crucial division that that in all probability does not get practically the eye or curiosity from the nationwide safety group – so I felt completely crucial be there and was felt myself fairly fortunate to work in that division. However was on element to the Nationwide Safety Council for my total time, apart from two weeks on both finish. 

MICHAEL MORELL: And this time period is absolutely the start of the shaping of a brand new U.S. method to China, proper. We had gone via that realization that you simply talked about from 2010 to 2014, 2015, 2016. And this was the start of a brand new method. Are you able to discuss that a bit bit?

MATT TURPIN: Yeah, that new method actually grew to become, the outlines of it, you might see in a sequence of speeches and paperwork that on the time I bear in mind Deputy Secretary of Protection Work, Bob Work, going out and fascinating with our European allies to speak in regards to the sorts of issues that each China and Russia had been doing. You will bear in mind, clearly, on the similar time, you have obtained your realization that our method in direction of Moscow additionally was not ensuing within the sorts of outcomes that we had wished.

And so that you had these twin challenges, each Moscow and Beijing arising on the similar time, and that there would should be a brand new method. And so actually the language of competitors, actually the summer season of 2016, you have obtained of us like Secretary Carter, you understand, testifying together with with with Common Dunford, you understand, a few want for kind of viewing our relationship with each Moscow and Beijing is as aggressive.
After which the Trump administration is available in in early 2017, January 2017, and begins actually a coverage course of largely led by Common McMaster, who then leads the Nationwide Safety Council via a coverage course of that arrives at a Nationwide Safety Technique that lays out strategic competitors with each Moscow and Beijing are kind of our principal focuses. And that is revealed in December of 2017. However you will do not forget that, as an illustration, the Part 301 investigation, which was actually an investigation of China’s financial conduct, begins in August of 17. And you’ll see that there is an effort to create a holistic method, each an financial coverage and nationwide safety coverage that which might be mixed in a means to have the ability to start to compete with the PRC.

And for too lengthy, we had kind of seen these two components of our coverage, each on financial coverage and a nationwide safety coverage as separate issues, present in separate worlds. And actually an effort to carry these issues collectively. And that is accomplished by way of shorthand. That is kind of, you understand, that financial safety is nationwide safety. And so you could have quite a few these sayings which might be going on the market, however actually reflecting a wrestling with the concept that finally in a world during which you have obtained different nice powers which might be utilizing all means at their disposal and significantly within the financial, business and monetary areas to compete with us, that, you understand, untying our hand from behind our again and starting to kind of use numerous types of financial instruments was one thing that we must contemplate rather more strongly.

And so to me, there’s a variety of continuity right here from the sorts of issues that you simply had of us within the Division of Protection, in addition to Penny Pritzker on the Commerce Division, within the Obama administration, during which they’re kind of Chinese language industrial insurance policies, how they hurt the USA, how they kind of undermine components of our nationwide safety and our allies, and that we might start to need to wrestle with; what can we do in response to this and that, in true kind of Washington vogue. That is a messy debate that unfolds over time. However as a result of we are able to talk about this stuff out within the open at a sure time limit, you start to have a level of of consensus forming that finally we’re in a distinct place than we had been a decade earlier than with Beijing.

MICHAEL MORELL: So, Matt, I wish to change to China immediately, if that is OK. And I wish to ask you two questions. And to be sincere, the second of which, I’ve a tough time discovering somebody to reply with the form of precision that I believe is important to form of carry the nation together with us right here. The primary query is, are you able to describe the world order that China wish to see? In different phrases, what would the world appear like if China achieves its ambitions? And the way would that be completely different from the best way it seems to be at the moment?

MATT TURPIN: Yeah. Effectively, I believe it seems to be like a nineteenth century world during which you create a world that’s kind of pre-international norms and guidelines during which states can train their insurance policies and their needs with a level of freedom. That the ability is basically the one factor that may be a determinant of whether or not they’re in a position to do it or not.

Definitely Beijing has benefited economically over the previous 4 a long time from a steady worldwide order that permits them to develop as an financial energy and as a wider kind of nationwide energy. However I additionally consider it is fairly clear that they view these situations as constraints on Beijing attaining what the occasion lays out for itself and positively what Xi Jinping, each. I believe the wonderful continuity between the speech he gave as an inaugural speech and in January of 2013 to the Central Committee as he took energy and the one which he gave on the one hundredth anniversary of of the Chinese language Communist Social gathering, viewing the occasion and the Chinese language nation in a kind of historic wrestle to remake the worldwide system, to safe what Beijing thinks and significantly the occasion thinks is the suitable methods for his or her governance to run. And that will look very completely different than an thought of rule of legislation, of separation of energy, of transparency.

And whereas I do not suppose that Beijing seeks to to put in the clone of the Chinese language Communist Social gathering in each nation world wide, it does not desire a system that confines or undermines Beijing’s capacity to attain what it needs to do. So it is rather more for them about themselves and that the remainder of the world must get out of the best way versus making the remainder of the world appear like them.

MICHAEL MORELL: A few form of sub-questions. First to that first one, what does Beijing wish to use its unconstrained energy for? Is it to maintain their economic system and maintain the occasion? Is it for different causes, that energy that they wish to use in that unconstrained means? What is the backside line for them? What is the goal?

MATT TURPIN: I believe there’s a kind of a large debate, proper? Among the debate inside the group of China watchers and people which might be one aspect of it, I believe, sees that China merely needs to comprehend a pure standing on the planet after which take its place inside a world system after which make minor adjustments across the edges of that worldwide system.

I believe that is a wishful concept that actually is an concept that we in each the USA and possibly our buddies in Europe and Japan, might reconcile with; we might reconcile if that was the extent of Beijing’s needs. I am more and more involved, and I believe there are many others that watch as effectively, that that Beijing truly has a wider set of intentions The PRC views itself within the broad nationwide rejuvenation of the Chinese language nation and that the PRC’s rightful place is on the heart of of the worldwide order, and that till that the worldwide order is almost fully reordered across the events intentions, that it will not be sufficient in that there are a lot of different issues that they view in kind of a nationalist sense as crimes towards the Chinese language nation that came about within the nineteenth and twentieth centuries that will should be rectified. And that, you understand, these are actually round borders and and are about kind of re-establishing the PRC’s place on the planet, and so I believe that is kind of a nationalist angle of it.

However I believe there’s additionally kind of deep occasion ideology. You realize, there is a tendency for us to suppose that the Chinese language Communist Social gathering is just not communist and that they do not truly consider within the ideology that comes from a Marxism, Leninism and Stalinist background about occasion group and about how the occasion ought to rule. And its mission in basically attaining your broad social revolution. And I believe to a sure diploma, that is once more, additionally wishful pondering on our half. It is actually handy for us to wish to suppose that the communism of of the Communist Social gathering, the Soviet Union, has been relegated to the dustbin of historical past and which might be our buddies in Beijing have discovered that that is not the best way to go. However more and more, it seems that that that language and that ideology infuses a lot of what the occasion says to itself.

And I are likely to suppose as a historian, I are likely to suppose that folk, after they make speeches and and write papers and and repeatedly harp on issues, proper, that they are in a long run wrestle between socialism and capitalism, that they really consider a few of these issues, that these phrases and that language is just not merely thrown out as fluff on the aspect of a broader speech, however are literally the centerpiece of what the occasion believes.

And positively Xi Jinping believes, proper, that they consider that there’s a broad ideological wrestle happening about, you understand, completely different types of governance and testing of which system is best. And so for the USA, if we’re taken with sustaining a world system which privileges democracies, which privileges the rule of legislation and privileges particular person rights, then we possible have to face up for that. It is not going to occur by itself. And the PRC would like a world the place these values usually are not privileged. And that what you see is definitely the privileging of an aristocracy or aristocracy contained in the PRC, you understand, privileging the concept that that the state controls outcomes and does so for the good thing about the ruling regime versus its particular person residents. And most of the issues that we might wish to see is additional progress in from it, from a US perspective and for different democracies can be very tough in a form of world that was reordered round what Beijing has in thoughts.

MICHAEL MORELL: You talked about Xi’s speech on the one hundredth anniversary of the founding of the occasion. And one of many issues that I discovered attention-grabbing in regards to the speech, and I might like to get your response to this, is it did not sound just like the nation that was able to take its place on the heart of issues. Proper. It sounded to me like there was a variety of insecurity within the speech. And I am questioning should you sense the identical factor and if that’s the case, why that tone? Do they actually really feel like they don’t seem to be fairly there but? To what extent are they frightened about us? The place do you suppose that tone got here from?

MATT TURPIN: Definitely that tone didn’t come up final week, proper? I imply, there’s this long-standing paradox. You are inside the Chinese language Communist Social gathering, however finally with one other kind of authoritarian kind of Leninist mannequin events during which a comparatively small band of elites seeks to say unique rule that may’t be challenged and that a part of the methods they legitimize that rule is by attempting to guarantee their inhabitants that any potential profit that they may need, that they’ve gained or what they need sooner or later can solely come via the stabilizing pressure of that aristocracy and that with out them, that the nation would fall into chaos and that every part can be disastrous.

And I believe that for the Chinese language Communist Social gathering, that may be a effectively ingrained idea, deeply, deeply established. However I believe that they need to repeatedly wrestle with the truth that there are are simply a variety of locations on the planet the place ruling events get voted out of energy and your complete society does not collapse, and it means that perhaps that total kind of ideology that they’ve, that they have to be allowed to proceed to rule, it doesn’t matter what. And that if they do not rule, that full catastrophe faces the nation. It is with no vital effort to repeatedly kind of stress that propaganda place. Proper. That assertion that folk start to ask questions on, is that actually true? And so I believe that is likely one of the underlying issues. It is nearly as if it is a shrill kind of language of, you understand, we’re unstoppable and our legitimacy and rule is totally unquestionable. You realize, the girl doth protest an excessive amount of.

MICHAEL MORELL: So, Matt, the second query I wished to ask you is what are the particular downsides to us, to the USA and China attaining the world that they are attempting to create? You realize, would our way of life be decrease than it in any other case can be? Would our privateness and civil liberties be put in danger? Would the world be a much less steady place, et cetera, et cetera? You realize, in different phrases, how you can clarify to anyone in the USA why we must always see China as such a big problem and to deal with it as such.

MATT TURPIN: We might take any variety of these angles, however perhaps I will begin with the financial aspect. There was a thesis broadly held throughout coverage communities that by permitting China into the WTO, despite the fact that it had not change into a market economic system, so despite the fact that it did not basically observe the concepts of free markets and hadn’t carried out the insurance policies that will have the states step uncontrolled of of financial coverage or step uncontrolled of how costs had been decided and issues like that, which which was the usual that we had set for practically each different nation to affix the WTO, that there had been this idea that via comparative benefits and and every part else, that we might discover ourselves in a considerably higher place and we might have resulted in kind of political liberalization inside the PRC. However we did not get the second. However more and more it was clear and positively by by early 2016, you could have quite a few economists writing in regards to the China Shock, the implications of what China’s entry into the WTO, their failure to satisfy their commitments to the entry into the WTO. In order that they weren’t a market economic system but, however they basically had made commitments that they’d change into a market economic system, they’d proceed liberalization reforms. However these liberalization reforms actually started to taper off considerably as China entered the WTO. And positively the Chinese language state by no means stepped away from an concept that they’d be the final word arbiter of how the economic system ran and whereas we noticed a blossoming of personal enterprise, we additionally noticed continued intervention and subsidisation, which then undermined US manufacturing and and undermined quite a few components of the US economic system.

And I believe it was it was it was the announcement of China’s coverage of Made in China 2025 in 2015 which basically laid out that what China had accomplished to low worth manufacturing, textiles and easy electronics and and numerous industrials, that they’d take those self same ways and apply them to excessive worth manufacturing, which for the USA, for Japan, for Korea, for our European buddies, this was the lifeblood of our financial prosperity and that the PRC would start to use those self same ways to have the ability to acquire nationwide champions and execute the identical kind of playbook on excessive worth manufacturing, which actually sits on the centerpiece of all of US financial prosperity. And that if that had been to play out, that it might be extraordinarily damaging to our personal prosperity.

And so what we had seen occur throughout the Rust Belt, you understand, the place U.S. manufacturing was carved out as you progress to decrease price labor contained in the PRC, a interval of what was referred to as globalization. However I believe it was actually rather more precisely to be seen as hyper focus of producing on the east coast of China, that created actual impacts inside the USA by way of of financial prosperity. And positively the opposite claims that that whereas customers can buy issues for much less cash, however should you’re not making a paycheck, barely much less price is absolutely not all that a lot of a bomb to that broader downside of of dropping your livelihood.

And so I believe that’s what we noticed going ahead from an financial perspective, if Beijing achieves what it’s laying out that it needs to have the ability to do, we might go on to what the world would appear like. However I believe one side of it’s that that you can be very a lot restricted into what you’ll be able to say and suppose. So should you contact on issues that the occasion objects to, that there shall be kind of extraterritorial attain of how your ideas are regulated, what you’ll be able to see on the Web, what you could be allowed to say.

We have seen Americans inside the USA be coerced and retaliated towards for issues that they’d say on-line and that will typically discover itself established the world over. And we’d discover ourselves in only a very a lot much less free space and that international locations would really feel obliged to restrict the the the speech and protests of their very own residents with the intention to keep on the appropriate aspect of Beijing. And to me, that is a really disturbing world to search out ourselves in.

MICHAEL MORELL: So, Matt, what’s going to decide who wins this competitors? Who wins this wrestle for what the world goes to appear like?

MATT TURPIN: I’ve typically in contrast us to kind of being in an countless relay race and that every of us has a race to run, however there is not essentially a transparent end line. It’s a matter of of constructing ourselves higher. And positively I believe the Biden administration has come out very sturdy in laying out its case about in a long run competitors with with authoritarian states just like the one that’s represented by the Chinese language Communist Social gathering, that we have to make ourselves higher.

And that is a crucial part of it, and I am optimistic to see the sorts of issues which might be being put ahead to have the ability to understand that. However clearly, that is not the solely factor that you’ve to have the ability to do. I imply, you additionally wish to be sure that it is pricey in your competitor to attain their aims. And that requires each a mix of carrots and sticks that can assist you obtain your aims and undermine your competitor from attaining their aims. And that makes it kind of incorrect with some of us who would suppose that, you understand, what we needs to be striving for is full on cooperation. I want that had been the world we lived in, however it might seem, you understand, very clearly to me that that’s not the kind of method that Beijing needs. They might need us to cooperate with their aims whereas they compete strenuously to attain their very own aims and undermine ours. And that is simply kind of the world that we dwell in. And so I believe that is form of what we have proper now.

MICHAEL MORELL: So how do you suppose this ends? There isn’t a end line, in fact, however are you optimistic? Are you pessimistic about our capacity to compete with this nation and its imaginative and prescient of the world?

MATT TURPIN: I am very optimistic.I believe we needs to be very assured in our capacity to compete over the long run. You realize, we have to perceive what the stakes are. However People and our buddies world wide who additionally take pleasure in this worldwide system, as we’re motivated to have the ability to shield what we worth, I believe that we’ve got huge benefits. And I believe, what you introduced up earlier in regards to the tone inside Xi Jinping’s speech, in addition to the tone that we have seen, whether or not it is via wolf warrior diplomacy or numerous different areas, it suggests an actual deep concern contained in the Communist Social gathering about their capacity over time to have the ability to do that.

And so I believe we needs to be assured, however that doesn’t imply that will probably be straightforward. We must make sacrifices and make investments vital sources to have the ability to do that over time. However I believe the form of world we would like sooner or later is value these investments and we should not shrink back from them. We must also be very open and talk about it amongst ourselves; there is not, it’s not as if all of this stuff are over and the talk is over and that we simply need to resign ourselves to to a long run competitors. I welcome that we’ve got a long run debate about this and that we repeatedly have had the dialogue on the market, as a result of clearly Beijing might select one other course. And in the event that they selected to take action, we must always welcome that. In the event that they selected to basically say, ‘There are issues that we will align with the USA and different democracies on reinforcing,’ we needs to be prepared to simply accept that. However cautious of their intentions, however completely able to embrace it ought to they select to take action.

MICHAEL MORELL: however actually make the investments we have to make right here at residence and push again on them and make their life tougher in the event that they go within the incorrect course.

MATT TURPIN: Proper. And I believe we additionally should be conscious that that tactic, that technique that you simply simply described, very effectively, will elicit from Beijing the concepts that can result in kind of inevitable battle and that we must always abandon that technique. And I believe that is additionally a level of actual concern as a result of that method – Do our personal factor higher and compete with them vigorously and construct alliances to have the ability to make that occur – is what scares Beijing, proper. And one of many issues they’ll search to do to kind of take us off that sport is to attempt to persuade us that by pushing again towards them, it is going to result in battle and struggle and disaster. And and I believe we must always you understand, we must always stay aware of that. However we must always not let that form of language deter us from from doing the sorts of issues that we in all probability know are proper to do.

MICHAEL MORELL: Matt, thanks a lot for becoming a member of us. This has been an excellent dialogue and we hope to have you ever again once more someday.

MATT TURPIN: Thanks, Michael. 

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